tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3270245506969727628.post5299885255645871678..comments2024-03-27T06:51:19.327-06:00Comments on The Rains Came Down: Religious Bully?SilverRainhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00580230961425635077noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3270245506969727628.post-64933421658894720712010-08-27T19:09:21.748-06:002010-08-27T19:09:21.748-06:00The constitution really does protect religious fre...The constitution really does protect religious freedom or it does not. It absolutely is a take it all or leave it sort of thing. If not, whose religion should be the one that suffers discrimination? As a hint, Mormon ranks third most disliked amongst US religions according to that Mormon pollster who also help run the "Yes on 8" campaign. We beat Scientology and Islam. Go us!<br />djinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06112894520660114580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3270245506969727628.post-19857805441448465322010-08-27T19:04:25.050-06:002010-08-27T19:04:25.050-06:00Silverrain, what you call "common sense"...Silverrain, what you call "common sense" others would call a good reason ("it's just common sense, think of the traffic issues, the lighting at night, the parking....) to not let LDS temples and meetinghouses be built in their communities. This law that you so dislike really does protect you whether you appreciate it o not.<br /><br />http://www.azcentral.com/community/djinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06112894520660114580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3270245506969727628.post-79050480507420765662010-08-24T07:10:06.109-06:002010-08-24T07:10:06.109-06:00Djinn—Ah, but you see, I'm not talking law, I&...Djinn—Ah, but you see, I'm not talking law, I'm talking common sense.<br /><br />Which are, sadly, totally opposite things in most cases.<br /><br />And don't be silly. Law is not a take-it-all-or-leave-it sort of thing.SilverRainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00580230961425635077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3270245506969727628.post-86002262898242523542010-08-23T19:23:58.313-06:002010-08-23T19:23:58.313-06:00Silverrain, know any lawyers? Ask them about this...Silverrain, know any lawyers? Ask them about this topic.djinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06112894520660114580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3270245506969727628.post-62573176808996595132010-08-23T18:53:10.787-06:002010-08-23T18:53:10.787-06:00Silverrain, you are way to smart for that last pos...Silverrain, you are way to smart for that last post. Crosses, today, in the US are symbols of Christianity, and the laws that you so happily mock keep Mormons safe in their jobs, at the least, and especially allow Mormons to build churches and Temples even over massive protests by the in-situ population. <br /><br />You are attacking that which protects you.djinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06112894520660114580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3270245506969727628.post-33450410927792538622010-08-23T07:44:40.169-06:002010-08-23T07:44:40.169-06:00djinn—I suggest you do some research into the symb...djinn—I suggest you do some research into the symbology of the cross before I can really have a meaningful discussion about it with you.<br /><br />And Bev said several things better than I. This isn't really something I care to argue with you.SilverRainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00580230961425635077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3270245506969727628.post-18434084897662745032010-08-22T16:24:33.266-06:002010-08-22T16:24:33.266-06:00Oh, and it's "death knell." Gotta l...Oh, and it's "death knell." Gotta love those silent letters. Though I do like death nell. I see Snidely Whiplash twirling his mustache.djinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06112894520660114580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3270245506969727628.post-79411357117479167912010-08-22T16:21:43.551-06:002010-08-22T16:21:43.551-06:00The founding fathers were men of the enlightenment...The founding fathers were men of the enlightenment.<br /> Just about to a man they were deists; that is, they did not believe in an interventionist God. As an illustrative example, George Washington never belonged to a church. As another illustrative example, the only mentions of religion in the constitution are negative; actions that people cannot take because of religious beliefs.djinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06112894520660114580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3270245506969727628.post-89722308205450160412010-08-22T08:29:43.267-06:002010-08-22T08:29:43.267-06:00If I am reading this correctly, Utah has said you ...If I am reading this correctly, Utah has said you cannot put up a cross when a police officer dies perhaps in an accident along the road?<br />Not even if that officer was a Christian?<br />The US gov't was not set up to completely forbid religion but it seems to be read that way these days. Freedom OF religion is to ensure that the people can worship what they want, how they want, or not bevqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17149146448164326739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3270245506969727628.post-9704718179023305172010-08-20T16:10:16.297-06:002010-08-20T16:10:16.297-06:00A cross is a symbol of death in Christian imagery....A cross is a symbol of death in Christian imagery. Whe re else?djinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06112894520660114580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3270245506969727628.post-59557876695036458592010-08-20T16:09:22.514-06:002010-08-20T16:09:22.514-06:00A cross is a Christian symbol. Explicitly. Ask a...A cross is a Christian symbol. Explicitly. Ask a Muslim or a Jew how they would feel with a cross representing them, for an illustrative example. Whether a symbol had "some religious use previously" is not part of the equation. What is important is that a cross is a strictly Christian symbol here, in the US, now. Everyone understands this.djinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06112894520660114580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3270245506969727628.post-88320687456532529322010-08-20T12:23:24.301-06:002010-08-20T12:23:24.301-06:00There is no law establishing a religion in this ca...There is no law establishing a religion in this case. I fail to see how that translates to no religious symbols on public land. If that were true, we would have to extensively revamp our entire governmental symbology, since most of the symbols we use have SOME religious use previously.<br /><br />In this case, it isn't a religious symbol anyways, it is a symbol of death.SilverRainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00580230961425635077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3270245506969727628.post-92098403099793488072010-08-20T01:14:50.107-06:002010-08-20T01:14:50.107-06:00Silverrain, if the crosses had been erected on pri...Silverrain, if the crosses had been erected on private land you would be correct. However, the memorials are on PUBLIC land--Utah roads. The handling of Public land (land that belongs to all of us regardless of our religion) falls under the establishment clause of the first amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion...." Through the 14th djinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06112894520660114580noreply@blogger.com