tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3270245506969727628.post8672601020983109790..comments2024-03-27T06:51:19.327-06:00Comments on The Rains Came Down: 9/11 and the Mosque: It's Not About ReligionSilverRainhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00580230961425635077noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3270245506969727628.post-48379867202031675562010-10-06T21:51:48.714-06:002010-10-06T21:51:48.714-06:00Well, I've read the Quran, and as for living i...Well, I've read the Quran, and as for living it, people live it the same way that they live the Bible and torch LDS chapels south of Houston ...<br /><br />I don't see the problem with the mosque. If we can have strip clubs and liquor stores there, why not a mosque, especially since there already is one in the area.Stephen M (Ethesis)http://ethesis.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3270245506969727628.post-87975761745189897352010-09-14T13:15:41.285-06:002010-09-14T13:15:41.285-06:00Silver Rain:
The distinction between fear and pru...Silver Rain:<br /><br />The distinction between fear and prudence is not easily drawn. It's hard to tell whether you know something I don't -- or whether I know something you don't.<br /><br />You mentioned having searches to get on military bases when they were not normally required. I can remember when it wasn't necessary to go through metal detectors to get on airplanes. On theAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3270245506969727628.post-3754796043967676822010-09-14T10:17:28.047-06:002010-09-14T10:17:28.047-06:00And I might add that allowing fear to make our leg...And I might add that allowing fear to make our legal decisions is the path to social and legal injustice.SilverRainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00580230961425635077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3270245506969727628.post-43064851337870116512010-09-14T10:16:22.521-06:002010-09-14T10:16:22.521-06:00FireTag—For YOU, I get it. For you, it was persona...FireTag—For YOU, I get it. For you, it was personal. Most people just saw it on a t.v. screen.<br /><br />But I think we tread dangerous ground when we seek to deny civil liberties to a religion. Should we examine unlawful activities by a religion? Of course. Building a building is not unlawful. Trying to deny the building of this mosque skips right over the line and sets a dangerous precedent.SilverRainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00580230961425635077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3270245506969727628.post-59232617004640373332010-09-13T12:25:09.350-06:002010-09-13T12:25:09.350-06:00Silver Rain:
Perspectives about 9/11 are certainl...Silver Rain:<br /><br />Perspectives about 9/11 are certainly very personal. When my wife-to-be and I grew serious about each other, I took a job with an environmental consulting firm and moved to New York to be close to her. A year or so later (about 1978-1979), my company relocated onto the 90th Floor of the South Tower. I had a window office looking out kitty corner at the North Tower for a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3270245506969727628.post-65187281849215160642010-09-10T07:08:28.829-06:002010-09-10T07:08:28.829-06:00Anonymous—True. I missed your point entirely, and ...Anonymous—True. I missed your point entirely, and I apologize.<br /><br />Whether it is mainstream or not, I don't believe that those building the mosque are aligned with extremists. And, even if they are, what difference does it make, really? We are America. Our strength historically has been taking whatever is thrown at us and making it ours. If they say it is a gesture of goodwill, then SilverRainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00580230961425635077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3270245506969727628.post-43155231161190802962010-09-09T10:50:10.048-06:002010-09-09T10:50:10.048-06:00I believe I have mentioned that there are many cou...I believe I have mentioned that there are many countries and cultures involved in Islam so I do NOT think that all Muslims are a certain way.<br />My point about Christianity is that as a Christian, I should acknowledge that Christian churches have a history of abuse.<br />You want to believe that it is just a few extremists that believe literally in the Quran, in the oppression of women and Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3270245506969727628.post-54528159620608989912010-09-09T07:16:56.196-06:002010-09-09T07:16:56.196-06:00Anonymous—Your approach to self-education astounds...Anonymous—Your approach to self-education astounds me. I will never understand people who judge things based on what other people say, or extrapolate a judgment on an entire group of people based on the personal experiences of some.<br /><br />Yet, many people do just that.<br /><br />I have read parts of the Quran. It is very similar to the Bible. It is interesting that where Christianity is SilverRainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00580230961425635077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3270245506969727628.post-91922398037054499562010-09-08T23:05:03.175-06:002010-09-08T23:05:03.175-06:00I haven't read the Quran. But I read "In...I haven't read the Quran. But I read "Infidel."<br />It was an uncomfortable read in many ways, but interesting to read about the Muslim idea of submission to God's will (the Quran).....which I try to achieve in my own religion. The book paints a scary picture of what submission to God means if you are taught that God wants evil stuff.<br />"Infidel" claims that the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3270245506969727628.post-61033800311419583662010-09-08T07:07:16.115-06:002010-09-08T07:07:16.115-06:00madhousewife—Because attacks on the White House/Pe...madhousewife—Because attacks on the White House/Pentagon/commercial World Trade Centers hardly translate to religious differences. They translate easily to political/cultural differences.<br /><br />Anonymous #1—the comments you make are a lot like saying that Christianity holds dear values like consumerism and Wicca-hating. Islam is a religion just as varied in tenets and practices as SilverRainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00580230961425635077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3270245506969727628.post-73266518165800159322010-09-07T18:02:56.145-06:002010-09-07T18:02:56.145-06:00If 9-11 had been about religion we would have had ...If 9-11 had been about religion we would have had religious attacks on us going back centuries. It most certainly is about politics. They don't like us messing around in their part of the world. Read Osama Bin Laden's own statements on this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3270245506969727628.post-24676731907891381562010-09-07T17:25:42.638-06:002010-09-07T17:25:42.638-06:00Obviously the answer is to become as narrow, cruel...Obviously the answer is to become as narrow, cruel, close-minded, suspicious and exclusionary as <em>they</em> are. Protect Western values, in other words, by junking Western values in favor of the ones you [somewhat mistakenly] read into Islam. That <em>is</em> the answer, isn't it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3270245506969727628.post-75941412291375292192010-09-07T15:25:12.663-06:002010-09-07T15:25:12.663-06:00I don't have a problem with the mosque, althou...I don't have a problem with the mosque, although I know nothing about it and the controversy. Sounds like a legitimate place to have a religious building.<br />I do think that we should try harder to understand Islam. Unfortunately, understanding Islam usually means realizing how much the hate America and women.<br />It is kind of like understanding that to communism back in the cold war, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3270245506969727628.post-42739608283926147892010-09-07T14:47:51.716-06:002010-09-07T14:47:51.716-06:00I guess I don't understand how you can argue t...I guess I don't understand how you can argue that 9/11 wasn't about religion, simply because it wasn't about <i>our</i> religion. Islamist terrorists aren't against any specific other religion; they're against anything that isn't <i>their</i> religion. This isn't a holy war between two religions; it's a holy war against everyone who doesn't subscribe to theirAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3270245506969727628.post-76440531130875048252010-09-07T07:53:41.281-06:002010-09-07T07:53:41.281-06:00Agreed.Agreed.Matt W.http://newcoolthang.comnoreply@blogger.com